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		<title>By: S.</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I found this blog entry basically by google-ing keywords about supervisors degrading me at my job. I did not include Library in my search and was truly surprised to find this post. I am currently 26 years old. I began working in Libraries at 16. Became a Circulation supervisor shortly after, and at 22 became director of a small library. I also currently hold the highest level of certification for my position. I have worked very hard to do these things. However, the last 4 years of my life as director of this library have been one of the worst experiences I have ever had. The older ladies on our Library Board refer to me as &quot;kiddo&quot; and &quot;pumpkin&quot;. I can quote public library law in answer to a question and still have someone &quot;older&quot; check-up on the answer. When I provide statistics in response to research, I am told that I probably don&#039;t understand or didn&#039;t do it correctly. Everything I do is a battle to be heard, and they&#039;re the ones that hired me!! I constantly feel I am not good enough and never feel like working in a Library again after this. However, your post was interesting and it is comforting to hear others struggle with age in Libraries as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found this blog entry basically by google-ing keywords about supervisors degrading me at my job. I did not include Library in my search and was truly surprised to find this post. I am currently 26 years old. I began working in Libraries at 16. Became a Circulation supervisor shortly after, and at 22 became director of a small library. I also currently hold the highest level of certification for my position. I have worked very hard to do these things. However, the last 4 years of my life as director of this library have been one of the worst experiences I have ever had. The older ladies on our Library Board refer to me as &#8220;kiddo&#8221; and &#8220;pumpkin&#8221;. I can quote public library law in answer to a question and still have someone &#8220;older&#8221; check-up on the answer. When I provide statistics in response to research, I am told that I probably don&#8217;t understand or didn&#8217;t do it correctly. Everything I do is a battle to be heard, and they&#8217;re the ones that hired me!! I constantly feel I am not good enough and never feel like working in a Library again after this. However, your post was interesting and it is comforting to hear others struggle with age in Libraries as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 17:48:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I get a little loopy when I try to wrap my head around the experiences, or lack thereof, that a person born in 1990 might have.  My first reaction is to sympathize that they missed the 80&#039;s!

I&#039;m 32 but I look pretty young, so I often am treated as a person much younger (most people assume i&#039;m 22 or so).  Probably wearing a lot of black and having a quasi mohawk doesn&#039;t help to make me look more mature, as opposed to more mainstream attire, but I still have to remain true to myself.  

Slowly, people have learned to take me more seriously, but it has been an uphill battle, and I haven&#039;t taken any of that respect for granted.  

I&#039;m glad you posted this, it has given me some good perspective on this topic!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get a little loopy when I try to wrap my head around the experiences, or lack thereof, that a person born in 1990 might have.  My first reaction is to sympathize that they missed the 80&#8242;s!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m 32 but I look pretty young, so I often am treated as a person much younger (most people assume i&#8217;m 22 or so).  Probably wearing a lot of black and having a quasi mohawk doesn&#8217;t help to make me look more mature, as opposed to more mainstream attire, but I still have to remain true to myself.  </p>
<p>Slowly, people have learned to take me more seriously, but it has been an uphill battle, and I haven&#8217;t taken any of that respect for granted.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you posted this, it has given me some good perspective on this topic!</p>
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		<title>By: rachael</title>
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		<dc:creator>rachael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just reading this post made me feel I had the opportunity to vent my frustration, so thank you!  I&#039;m just shy of 27, and I have the voice of a 6 year old, so it can be such a struggle to feel like I&#039;m being respected for my ideas when I&#039;m speaking with anyone even remotely older than I.  People regularly call me &quot;sweetie&quot; &amp; &quot;honey&quot; &amp; other such degrading pet-names in purely professional situations, and since I know it&#039;s not sexual harassment, it feels like there&#039;s nothing I can do about it.  I know I&#039;m still quite young &amp; new to being a librarian, but I&#039;m still an educated &amp; intelligent person.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just reading this post made me feel I had the opportunity to vent my frustration, so thank you!  I&#8217;m just shy of 27, and I have the voice of a 6 year old, so it can be such a struggle to feel like I&#8217;m being respected for my ideas when I&#8217;m speaking with anyone even remotely older than I.  People regularly call me &#8220;sweetie&#8221; &amp; &#8220;honey&#8221; &amp; other such degrading pet-names in purely professional situations, and since I know it&#8217;s not sexual harassment, it feels like there&#8217;s nothing I can do about it.  I know I&#8217;m still quite young &amp; new to being a librarian, but I&#8217;m still an educated &amp; intelligent person.</p>
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		<title>By: Yvonne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yvonne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Oct 2011 23:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Age...It is all relative :) 17 years as a teacher librarian, 52 years young and still learning in my job, from the global online community..and still loving my job. A great post, and great conversations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Age&#8230;It is all relative <img src='http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  17 years as a teacher librarian, 52 years young and still learning in my job, from the global online community..and still loving my job. A great post, and great conversations.</p>
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		<title>By: Catherine Voutier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Catherine Voutier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 02:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Really enjoyed your post Sarah. I&#039;ve had some problems myself with looking younger than my actual age, though now I 40, it isn&#039;t too much of a problem anymore (thank you grey hair and wrinkles!). When I was in my 20&#039;s, someone asked if I was still in primary school (I think you call this elementary school?) - that is how young I looked. Big problem when trying to find employment, though it was never started in the &#039;thanks but no thanks&#039; rejection letter (bet it was an issue though). Anyway, I do commisserate with people when they complain about looking younger than their actual age. I won&#039;t say what others said to me when I complained about looking young - &quot;you are lucky!&#039; ie not taking the issue seriously. Hmm]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really enjoyed your post Sarah. I&#8217;ve had some problems myself with looking younger than my actual age, though now I 40, it isn&#8217;t too much of a problem anymore (thank you grey hair and wrinkles!). When I was in my 20&#8242;s, someone asked if I was still in primary school (I think you call this elementary school?) &#8211; that is how young I looked. Big problem when trying to find employment, though it was never started in the &#8216;thanks but no thanks&#8217; rejection letter (bet it was an issue though). Anyway, I do commisserate with people when they complain about looking younger than their actual age. I won&#8217;t say what others said to me when I complained about looking young &#8211; &#8220;you are lucky!&#8217; ie not taking the issue seriously. Hmm</p>
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		<title>By: Molly Ireland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Molly Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2011 17:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come get me..... my daughter was born in 1989 and my son in 1991.  I get your point, and we just hired a lot of 20 somethings.  I love it.  Lots of energy.  Molly]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come get me&#8230;.. my daughter was born in 1989 and my son in 1991.  I get your point, and we just hired a lot of 20 somethings.  I love it.  Lots of energy.  Molly</p>
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		<title>By: Tess</title>
		<link>http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/09/reflections.html/comment-page-1#comment-48482</link>
		<dc:creator>Tess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Oct 2011 05:10:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Awww.  You don&#039;t LOOK 34!  (I once saw you present at a conference--and, no, I&#039;m not a stalker). I like how Bill (of Bill the Librarian) summed it up:  &quot;...people of all ages in library land have much to offer.&quot;  And, I *do* think the learning goes both ways.  And, I am glad that you treat the 21 year old guy with respect--not like how they at your first gig.  I hope he learns a lot from you in return.  Bah...he&#039;s got tons to learn from you!

Anyhow, thank you for posting this--lots of introspection, understanding, acceptance and honesty.  But, couldn&#039;t help reading everyone&#039;s comments---confessing their ages (in their 20s or not) and reading their accomplishments made me think of the Oct. 2nd NYT article on &quot;Super People.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awww.  You don&#8217;t LOOK 34!  (I once saw you present at a conference&#8211;and, no, I&#8217;m not a stalker). I like how Bill (of Bill the Librarian) summed it up:  &#8220;&#8230;people of all ages in library land have much to offer.&#8221;  And, I *do* think the learning goes both ways.  And, I am glad that you treat the 21 year old guy with respect&#8211;not like how they at your first gig.  I hope he learns a lot from you in return.  Bah&#8230;he&#8217;s got tons to learn from you!</p>
<p>Anyhow, thank you for posting this&#8211;lots of introspection, understanding, acceptance and honesty.  But, couldn&#8217;t help reading everyone&#8217;s comments&#8212;confessing their ages (in their 20s or not) and reading their accomplishments made me think of the Oct. 2nd NYT article on &#8220;Super People.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sue</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Oct 2011 16:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was really happy to read your post, because I definitely feel like I&#039;ve been the victim of ageism in many of the libraries where I&#039;ve worked. Even in my thirties, when all the other people in my department were in their fifties and sixties, I still felt like I was patted on the head as the &#039;naive young person who doesn&#039;t understand how we do things around here.&#039; As I get older *cough* I will have to consciously try to NOT be patronizing to the eager, new young employees and instead take advantage of their energy and enthusiasm!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was really happy to read your post, because I definitely feel like I&#8217;ve been the victim of ageism in many of the libraries where I&#8217;ve worked. Even in my thirties, when all the other people in my department were in their fifties and sixties, I still felt like I was patted on the head as the &#8216;naive young person who doesn&#8217;t understand how we do things around here.&#8217; As I get older *cough* I will have to consciously try to NOT be patronizing to the eager, new young employees and instead take advantage of their energy and enthusiasm!</p>
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		<title>By: Bill Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 23:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I understand how you are feeling. I am at the other end of the spectrum.  I am 61 and many baby-faced librarians have treated me like I have never used a computer in my life.  Fact is people of all ages in library land have much to offer. I for one am actually much more of a computer geek/ tech geek than my 24 year old son who has his Bachelors in online media and journalism.  I learn from him and he learns from me.  I am into social networking than most of those 20ish yearold librarians.  Youare are not an old codger and at risk of you finding me, you are more baby faced than me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand how you are feeling. I am at the other end of the spectrum.  I am 61 and many baby-faced librarians have treated me like I have never used a computer in my life.  Fact is people of all ages in library land have much to offer. I for one am actually much more of a computer geek/ tech geek than my 24 year old son who has his Bachelors in online media and journalism.  I learn from him and he learns from me.  I am into social networking than most of those 20ish yearold librarians.  Youare are not an old codger and at risk of you finding me, you are more baby faced than me.</p>
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		<title>By: laura k</title>
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		<dc:creator>laura k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Sep 2011 20:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe people told you to go away and let the grown ups talk!! That is so unprofessional, it hurts. I would be infuriated if I ever heard this on the job. Speaking as someone who has always looked younger than I am, I feel all this age stuff acutely. People often assume I&#039;m younger than I am and must still be a student or can&#039;t possibly have had a lot of career experience. Nope, I&#039;ve been out of school for 10 years now, and working that whole time. I know some things. 

And still, for the first time, I see people in their twenties and think &quot;No way, you&#039;re a baby!&quot; I appreciate your reminder to take a step back, and recognize that they have valuable things to contribute, too. (Let&#039;s not even talk about the college freshman wandering all over Berkeley these days...holy infants!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe people told you to go away and let the grown ups talk!! That is so unprofessional, it hurts. I would be infuriated if I ever heard this on the job. Speaking as someone who has always looked younger than I am, I feel all this age stuff acutely. People often assume I&#8217;m younger than I am and must still be a student or can&#8217;t possibly have had a lot of career experience. Nope, I&#8217;ve been out of school for 10 years now, and working that whole time. I know some things. </p>
<p>And still, for the first time, I see people in their twenties and think &#8220;No way, you&#8217;re a baby!&#8221; I appreciate your reminder to take a step back, and recognize that they have valuable things to contribute, too. (Let&#8217;s not even talk about the college freshman wandering all over Berkeley these days&#8230;holy infants!)</p>
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