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	<title>Comments on: Book Challenges and Removals Survey Results</title>
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		<title>By: Emilia Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emilia Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2012 01:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry about this second message, but why should librarians—who work for their patrons—&quot;report&quot; to the ALA?  The ALA is a private organization and has no right to request such data from public organizations; the ALA does not pay for these libraries to exist—patrons do.  I believe it is actually illegal to &quot;report&quot; to the ALA and maybe soon some patrons will realize it and start acting on their rights.  Librarians should start concentrating on patrons, not the ALA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about this second message, but why should librarians—who work for their patrons—&#8221;report&#8221; to the ALA?  The ALA is a private organization and has no right to request such data from public organizations; the ALA does not pay for these libraries to exist—patrons do.  I believe it is actually illegal to &#8220;report&#8221; to the ALA and maybe soon some patrons will realize it and start acting on their rights.  Librarians should start concentrating on patrons, not the ALA.</p>
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		<title>By: Emilia Rosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emilia Rosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2012 22:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I notice the lack of one very important question: How many books were EFFECTIVELLY removed?  Withouth this data, the use of &quot;Removals&quot; is moot.  Also, who are the respondents?  Are they librarians or only &quot;work&quot; in the library?  This is a very important information.  (Maybe I missed all these answers?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice the lack of one very important question: How many books were EFFECTIVELLY removed?  Withouth this data, the use of &#8220;Removals&#8221; is moot.  Also, who are the respondents?  Are they librarians or only &#8220;work&#8221; in the library?  This is a very important information.  (Maybe I missed all these answers?)</p>
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		<title>By: Adrianne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adrianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 02:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d say it&#039;s largely what others have mentioned - why would you feel a need to report to the ALA?  Also - I work for a large metropolitan public library, so the challenges are often more &quot;why do you have this right-wing dreck here, aren&#039;t you supposed to be promoting knowledge?&quot; than &quot;why do you have something liberal here, I don&#039;t want people reading that!&quot;... and there&#039;s much less of a formal challenge procedure than other places might have, in that someone will ask, &quot;why do you have this book that I think you shouldn&#039;t have&quot; and we&#039;ll just tell them, not file all sorts of forms and make reports and panic &quot;aack someone wants to ban books they must be repressive right-wingers!&quot; as it appears others do.... Some people are just attention-seekers, and if you don&#039;t give them attention - if you don&#039;t make a huge fuss and bring it to the local news station and city council and all that - they&#039;ll direct their complaints elsewhere.  Of course, there are also so many rational challenges (hentai really belongs in the adult section, and just because it has pictures doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s a &quot;picture book&quot; to go in the baby section (come on catalogers, please! Maus???)) that reporting to ALA when you&#039;ve found out that you have fools in the cataloging department seems rather embarrassing...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s largely what others have mentioned &#8211; why would you feel a need to report to the ALA?  Also &#8211; I work for a large metropolitan public library, so the challenges are often more &#8220;why do you have this right-wing dreck here, aren&#8217;t you supposed to be promoting knowledge?&#8221; than &#8220;why do you have something liberal here, I don&#8217;t want people reading that!&#8221;&#8230; and there&#8217;s much less of a formal challenge procedure than other places might have, in that someone will ask, &#8220;why do you have this book that I think you shouldn&#8217;t have&#8221; and we&#8217;ll just tell them, not file all sorts of forms and make reports and panic &#8220;aack someone wants to ban books they must be repressive right-wingers!&#8221; as it appears others do&#8230;. Some people are just attention-seekers, and if you don&#8217;t give them attention &#8211; if you don&#8217;t make a huge fuss and bring it to the local news station and city council and all that &#8211; they&#8217;ll direct their complaints elsewhere.  Of course, there are also so many rational challenges (hentai really belongs in the adult section, and just because it has pictures doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s a &#8220;picture book&#8221; to go in the baby section (come on catalogers, please! Maus???)) that reporting to ALA when you&#8217;ve found out that you have fools in the cataloging department seems rather embarrassing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Links of interest: March 11th, 2011 &#171; A Modern Hypatia</title>
		<link>http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/03/bookchallenges.html/comment-page-1#comment-24127</link>
		<dc:creator>Links of interest: March 11th, 2011 &#171; A Modern Hypatia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 23:00:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] at Librarian in Black, has a fascinating if distressing post talking about the results of a survey around book challenges. I find it distressing, but not precisely surprising that there are more challenges than get [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] at Librarian in Black, has a fascinating if distressing post talking about the results of a survey around book challenges. I find it distressing, but not precisely surprising that there are more challenges than get [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Paula L.</title>
		<link>http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/03/bookchallenges.html/comment-page-1#comment-23977</link>
		<dc:creator>Paula L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 16:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did report a formal challenge to ALA&#039;s OIF and heard crickets.  Nothing.  No response to my email, fax, or phone call.  The next time a challenge happens I will be less likely to contact ALA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did report a formal challenge to ALA&#8217;s OIF and heard crickets.  Nothing.  No response to my email, fax, or phone call.  The next time a challenge happens I will be less likely to contact ALA.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Houghton-Jan</title>
		<link>http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/03/bookchallenges.html/comment-page-1#comment-23892</link>
		<dc:creator>Sarah Houghton-Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you to everyone who has so far shared their stories.  Keep them coming!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you to everyone who has so far shared their stories.  Keep them coming!</p>
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		<title>By: Library Lady</title>
		<link>http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/03/bookchallenges.html/comment-page-1#comment-23890</link>
		<dc:creator>Library Lady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work at a public library and we have a patron who used to take our &quot;new book&quot; designations off any liberal-leaning titles so that they were incorrectly shelved among older titles. She hoped to &quot;hide&quot; them so that others could not check them out and/or so that they would be made missing and eventually deleted from the collection. Of course, she didn&#039;t realize that although they were marked as new titles, we would also check in other possible areas of the library for these titles. This same patron checks out the maximum allowed (40 titles) several times a week-all that adhere to her personal belief systems-knowing that as we weed the collection, we look at the number of circulations for the past few years. It is her own crusade to keep what she thinks of as &quot;good&quot; books on the shelf while making &quot;bad&quot; books difficult to find. After a LONG period of time we were able to catch her moving titles and she has been spoken to. And so it goes...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work at a public library and we have a patron who used to take our &#8220;new book&#8221; designations off any liberal-leaning titles so that they were incorrectly shelved among older titles. She hoped to &#8220;hide&#8221; them so that others could not check them out and/or so that they would be made missing and eventually deleted from the collection. Of course, she didn&#8217;t realize that although they were marked as new titles, we would also check in other possible areas of the library for these titles. This same patron checks out the maximum allowed (40 titles) several times a week-all that adhere to her personal belief systems-knowing that as we weed the collection, we look at the number of circulations for the past few years. It is her own crusade to keep what she thinks of as &#8220;good&#8221; books on the shelf while making &#8220;bad&#8221; books difficult to find. After a LONG period of time we were able to catch her moving titles and she has been spoken to. And so it goes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Hinderer</title>
		<link>http://librarianinblack.net/librarianinblack/2011/03/bookchallenges.html/comment-page-1#comment-23882</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Hinderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am one of the librarians that did not report a book challenge to the OIF: I don&#039;t think any of the challenges here have ever been reported, and it sounds like there have been several over the past 10 years.  It  never crossed my mind to report  to the ALA, not because of any fear of stigma or judgment but probably more because there is no perceived benefit to doing so nor do I feel encouraged to do so.  In the most recent case here the challenge was due to the scholarship of the author and hence the veracity of his conclusions, not anything inflammatory or provocative.  I&#039;m satisfied that our internal process worked well and my staff welcomed the intellectual exercise: at no time did contacting the OIF even come up in our discussions.  Which probably should be troubling to that organization, and may reveal something about our engagement with our national organization.  We left the book on the shelf an simply added a note at the back of the book suggesting other reading a person might pursue about the book, with citations to articles both defending and denigrating the author&#039;s research. I don&#039;t know how the rest of the library world would perceive our  solution, nor am I concerned about that: but maybe you are correct and some librarians do fear the judgment of their colleagues from other states and communities. 

A second reaction to your post and the conversation about challenged books: I wish there was a better word than &quot;challenged&quot;, it evokes an image of a duel to the death with swords or pistols not a conversation about the values of intellectual freedom and the hard work we all do to provide access to materials that inform and enrich the lives of our patrons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am one of the librarians that did not report a book challenge to the OIF: I don&#8217;t think any of the challenges here have ever been reported, and it sounds like there have been several over the past 10 years.  It  never crossed my mind to report  to the ALA, not because of any fear of stigma or judgment but probably more because there is no perceived benefit to doing so nor do I feel encouraged to do so.  In the most recent case here the challenge was due to the scholarship of the author and hence the veracity of his conclusions, not anything inflammatory or provocative.  I&#8217;m satisfied that our internal process worked well and my staff welcomed the intellectual exercise: at no time did contacting the OIF even come up in our discussions.  Which probably should be troubling to that organization, and may reveal something about our engagement with our national organization.  We left the book on the shelf an simply added a note at the back of the book suggesting other reading a person might pursue about the book, with citations to articles both defending and denigrating the author&#8217;s research. I don&#8217;t know how the rest of the library world would perceive our  solution, nor am I concerned about that: but maybe you are correct and some librarians do fear the judgment of their colleagues from other states and communities. </p>
<p>A second reaction to your post and the conversation about challenged books: I wish there was a better word than &#8220;challenged&#8221;, it evokes an image of a duel to the death with swords or pistols not a conversation about the values of intellectual freedom and the hard work we all do to provide access to materials that inform and enrich the lives of our patrons.</p>
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		<title>By: Librarienne in Bloom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Librarienne in Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 16:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve experienced a &quot;hiding&#039; of materials, but it has had to do with our periodicals.  Covers have been ripped off of magazines before they are even put on to the shelf because the processing staff member feels the cover is too racy.  We&#039;ve moved magazines from the children&#039;s section to the young adult section because parents didn&#039;t like the advertisements.  
 
Before these decisions are made by the directorial staff, there is not any sort of conversation or action.  It seems to me that some libraries are so quick to avoid a challenge that they censor what&#039;s put out on our shelves before something can become an issue.  As an MLIS student who currently works in Youth Services, I feel like what I&#039;ve seen in practice is almost in direct conflict with what I&#039;ve been taught in school.  In this shakey job market, however, I have to agree with Dances with Books...I&#039;m not ready to give up my income just yet.

I would be curious to know how many of the reported challenges (for the aforementioned survey) have been in Youth Services versus Adult Services.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve experienced a &#8220;hiding&#8217; of materials, but it has had to do with our periodicals.  Covers have been ripped off of magazines before they are even put on to the shelf because the processing staff member feels the cover is too racy.  We&#8217;ve moved magazines from the children&#8217;s section to the young adult section because parents didn&#8217;t like the advertisements.  </p>
<p>Before these decisions are made by the directorial staff, there is not any sort of conversation or action.  It seems to me that some libraries are so quick to avoid a challenge that they censor what&#8217;s put out on our shelves before something can become an issue.  As an MLIS student who currently works in Youth Services, I feel like what I&#8217;ve seen in practice is almost in direct conflict with what I&#8217;ve been taught in school.  In this shakey job market, however, I have to agree with Dances with Books&#8230;I&#8217;m not ready to give up my income just yet.</p>
<p>I would be curious to know how many of the reported challenges (for the aforementioned survey) have been in Youth Services versus Adult Services.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Kleinman of SafeLibraries</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Kleinman of SafeLibraries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 11:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The primary that jumps out at me is the gross under-reporting of incidents to ALA–only 20%!  Is this because libraries don’t want the professional stigma associated with challenges (especially removals or book-relocations)?  Or is it simply bad record-keeping?  Or apathy?&quot;

There are other possibilities.  One may be that local librarians have lost respect for the ALA and reporting to the ALA simply would not enter into the equation.  The ALA has essentially become another organization that George Soros controls with large donations.  For example, the ALA now produces a &quot;privacy&quot; curriculum for school kids K-12--the head of the organization promoting that could not even tell me the author of the curriculum because she did not know.  Another example is the ALA astroturfing for Robert McChesney&#039;s Free Press.  Etc.

LIB, you even hint at this lack of respect when you say, &quot;Is this because libraries don’t want the professional stigma associated with challenges (especially removals or book-relocations)?&quot;  Exactly why should there be a &quot;professional stigma&quot; if one applies library book selection policy?  We are all here in the first place because Judith Krug started the OIF then used it to change the way librarians approached children and used professional stigma to force librarians to do what she wanted.  Now the ALA has a no holds barred, anything goes attitude toward children, Judith Krug started that, then professional stigma was used to enforce it to the point where today people like you are shocked librarians do not instantly report each and every incident to the ALA.

That could be a possibility.  

Further, it is especially sad that the ALA is gaga for book challenges but it does not track nor assist libraries with criminal activity within the library, particularly the kind that may be occurring as a result of ALA policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The primary that jumps out at me is the gross under-reporting of incidents to ALA–only 20%!  Is this because libraries don’t want the professional stigma associated with challenges (especially removals or book-relocations)?  Or is it simply bad record-keeping?  Or apathy?&#8221;</p>
<p>There are other possibilities.  One may be that local librarians have lost respect for the ALA and reporting to the ALA simply would not enter into the equation.  The ALA has essentially become another organization that George Soros controls with large donations.  For example, the ALA now produces a &#8220;privacy&#8221; curriculum for school kids K-12&#8211;the head of the organization promoting that could not even tell me the author of the curriculum because she did not know.  Another example is the ALA astroturfing for Robert McChesney&#8217;s Free Press.  Etc.</p>
<p>LIB, you even hint at this lack of respect when you say, &#8220;Is this because libraries don’t want the professional stigma associated with challenges (especially removals or book-relocations)?&#8221;  Exactly why should there be a &#8220;professional stigma&#8221; if one applies library book selection policy?  We are all here in the first place because Judith Krug started the OIF then used it to change the way librarians approached children and used professional stigma to force librarians to do what she wanted.  Now the ALA has a no holds barred, anything goes attitude toward children, Judith Krug started that, then professional stigma was used to enforce it to the point where today people like you are shocked librarians do not instantly report each and every incident to the ALA.</p>
<p>That could be a possibility.  </p>
<p>Further, it is especially sad that the ALA is gaga for book challenges but it does not track nor assist libraries with criminal activity within the library, particularly the kind that may be occurring as a result of ALA policy.</p>
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